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 What is My Lead-time?

What is My Lead-time for Scheduling in New in Shop Projects?
Sales have remained steady over the last decade from this extensive web site exposure and CBD is only able to take on a dozen or so major project each year because of how long each project takes us to complete. CBD is currently booked up around 5 to 6 months with in shop work already set in our cue shown below. Because of this long wait time I turn away more projects than are sold, or I would be booked much further out if they were willing to wait that long.

For small projects like a simple roof cap or roof flashing kit, which would only take a few hours to process can usually be squeezed in between major projects within a week or so, plus freight time if you are not local to the Portland, Oregon area. Those small projects are not listed in the cue below.

This should be the outset time-frame, but it is hard to say for sure with unforeseen complications that could arise to accurately calculate our lead time to the week, let alone the day.

I strive to respond to each quote request within 24 hours (unless I'm out of town). Even on weekends. If you do not hear back from me personally within a day feel free to call my cell# 503 351-7082 to verify I got your e-mail. Although, you should consider the time difference: so when it is 8AM on the East Coast it is only 5AM here on the West Coast.

Besides this custom copper fabrication I am still very busy with on-site gutter replacement as a licensed Gutter Contractor. My schedule may change quickly, so feel free to contact me about our lead-time if I had not updated this page recently.

Read reviews of Dmr GuttersCBD is not a speed shop. Most chimney cap projects will take a week or 2 of full time work to complete, depending on the size and complexity. Where other shops may slap out projects like that in a day or two. Some more elaborate projects have taken a full month or more to complete. If this will be adorning your home for the next century isn't a few month wait worth getting it done well and sturdier than standard? I would love nothing more than to get projects done and out of the way as soon as possible, but I try to resist temptation to rush project at the expense of quality. A detail I trust you will appreciate when finally getting to your project, but this may require some patience on your part; in this fast pace world of 'Amazon' speedy deliveries we've become accustom to.

Unlike most any other fabrication shop I've personally authored this extensive web site including actual price examples those Clients had paid, and more larger photos than you'll find else where, so please excuse the typos you will run across. I may have a strong aptitude for math and spatial arrangement, but English was not my strong suit.  I have gone to great effort to provide you with all this information to be able to anonymously window shop before contacting me, so you can avoid the risk of a sly high pressured sales pitch that is all too common. That way you can see if I can do what you are seeking at a reasonable price w/o fearing anyone contacting you before you are ready.

Our Current In-shop Schedule
(not including small projects under $500)

Tulloch in FL - Simplified Tuscany style chimney cap $3k - 2/3 paid (in progress)

Zaerpoor in OR - convex style hammered range hood & cupola $2.1k - 2/3 paid

Suozzi in NY - 40" wide copper dome shaped fire pit cover $1.4k - 1/2 paid

Alexandrou in NY - chimney cap $3k - 1/3 paid

Threatte in MA - 40" wide copper dome shaped fire pit cover $1.2k - Paid

Nicholson in OH - 28 gas light fixtures $6k (?) - 1/3 paid

Beeson in WA - Tuscany style chimney cap $3k (?) - 1/3 paid

Latimer in WA - 26" X 54" hammered copper fire pit cover $1.8k - 1/3 paid

Kurtz in NV - 2 chimney caps & a custom Dragon weathervane $9k (?) - 1/3 paid

Big K in OK - Bishop style chimney flue/cap & range hood $9k (?) - 1/3 paid

Errico in NY - 72" wide concave standing seam copper pizza oven hood $3k (?) - 1/3 paid

Wick in CO - Birdhouse style chimney flue/cap $2.2k (?) - 1/3 paid

Szymoniak in VA - window box roof cover $2k (?)

Mughal in OR - the first 2 of 8 convex dormers to recover w/copper $10.5k - 1/3 paid

Parodi in CA - 30" square copper fire pit cover $0.8k - 1/2 paid

Baumann in TX - 18" X 48" copper fire pit cover $1.8k (?) - 1/2 paid

Venazio in FL - Rectangular copper fire pit cover $2k (?) - 1/2 paid

Postponed Projects:

Burger in MO - 40" gazebo roof cap $690 - Paid (construction delays)

La Provence Bakery in OR - indoor fire-pit exhaust hood & counter tops $6k - 1/3 paid (cannot decide the direction they wants to go with this project)

What's your schedule reliability?
I try my best not to get behind schedule or give Clients false hope, so I attempt to factor in a little extra time for unexpected small projects and complication that could arise within my time-line, but I cannot predict the future with all accuracy of course.  It should not be later than the time listed above, and it could be sooner if all goes smoothly, but don't count on it if timing is crucial to your needs.


The 28 chimney cap Kensington Project
in Sunnyvale California (3-6/06)

What about small simple projects?
It is common for me to fit in small simple fabrications that would only take a few hours to complete, so I do this in between major projects from time to time. Things like: flashing kits, ridge caps, and small basic turret or gazebo roof caps w/o finial/weathervane mounts. Usually they can be completed within a week or two. If you want a larger ornate roof cap with a weathervane or finial support pipe installed; it would need to wait for my schedule to clear, since they require a couple days to build and make the custom shipping crate. Some larger projects I've had the honor to make have taken over 2 month to design and build, so a sale like that could suddenly push out my schedule considerably.

 What about rush orders or emergency service?
Most chances I could not help you out with that. I would like to believe I am well worth the wait, especially with all I put into each project like these, which are built well enough to last a century, but that of course is your call.  I try to keep my weekends free, besides answering e-mail and updating this web site, so other than paying a small fortune for Express Delivery there's not much that can be done if you have not planned ahead better. I will not push out my Clients who have placed faith in me at any price; in order to favor some other project recently bid on. Asking for this sort of favoritism may only convince me you are not a Client I can work with at all.

I'm sure you would not want me to push out your project in favor of another more lucrative project, so do not try to offer me a bribe to push your project ahead of the line.  If you try to get me to fit in your project ahead of other Clients who came before you; that would be asking me to commit fraud against those Clients. If you were to suggest such an offer I may need to cancel your project all together to make room for more reasonable Clients.

What if your schedule changes before I can get my deposit in?
That could certainly be an issue. I do all I can to swiftly respond to each e-mail and I answer my cell phone personally to help work this out as swiftly as possible.

If you feel confident we will be able to work up a satisfactory arrangement and need to get your project in my cue ASAP you can mail in an approximated deposit amount for the project you need.  I will adjust the price according to the arrangement we work out before I've started fabrication, so there is a firm ceiling cost set.  This can take the pressure off to make a hasty decisions. Only half down payment for projects over $500, or a 1/3 deposit for larger projects over $2k. 

If for any reason we are not able to work out a fair deal, or you just change your mind; that deposit is 90% refundable upon request. Leaving just a 10% reservation fee. No need for an explanation.  I'm far to busy to hold our Clients to a contract, but this has rarely been an issue. That 10% fee is just enough to encourage you to work this out with CBD, yet not so much you feel stuck.


The Trainor chimney cap being installed in Fairhope, Alabama (2/06)

Shipping time?
I ship most projects ground, which have been taking just a week to go across the Country, so it hardly seems worth the added cost to get them just a few days sooner.  I have little control over this, other than to charge a small fortune for a 2 day or over night shipment, which can cost more than the custom copper fabrication it's self.  I have rarely had clients willing to pay that much for Express Shipping, but that's your call.

 Latest News

2016: New Enhanced Logo:
This is a version, where I have selected transparency around the logo, so more of the photographic background will show through this watermark, as seen here. This specific Celtic knot work shape has held personal meaning for me for over a decade; when I got it as my very first tattoo on my upper right arm back in 2005.

I have upgraded my SawStop table saw to run with a stronger 220 volt 3 horse power electric motor.

For the first time since before 2005 I was able to place an order for 20oz copper gutter coil at $3.35 a pound in bulk, where  it had cost over $4.50# in bulk, and as much as $7.81# in smaller quantities over the last decade. The 48" wide coil was still 17% higher for some reason. These fluctuation do not change the cost of our work by much, since most of what you are paying for is labor and freight, but helps me not charge more to cover increases in the cost of living. This material cost fluctuation would affect a medium size $5k chimney cap by only $100 or so. That is only a 2% difference.

2015: Copper Prices
We saw a surprising decrease in scrap metal value from as high as $3# to under $2#, which will eventually translate to new metal costs dropping, but this trend may just bounce up and down; like gas prices over the last decade. I upgraded my shop lighting to all LED.

2014: Better Equipment
 I continue to upgrade our tools, and look for new devices to improve our custom work. I had the new safety table saw converted from 110 V to 220V. I also got a full frame Nikon D810 DSLR camera and some studio light to help better document our work, and opened up to more Social Media sources to share what we do with more people on-line.

2013: New Better Equipment
We finally got a SawStop table saw and dust collection system at the cost of $4k, which we use for building shipping crates and chimney cap base boards. I still had a working table saw, but I had to realize how one trip to Emergency would be more costly than the expense of this saw, which is one of the most dangerous tool we use. I continue to upgrade our other tools and look for new devices to improve our custom work. I also got better LED lighting for the shop and a Nikon D7000 DSLR camera to better document our work for this web site and to send daily reports to our out-of-State Clients to show the progress we are making on their projects.

2012: New Ride
We got a used 2005 Acura MDX to use as my primary work vehicle, and I sold our 1999 Honda Odyssey van to my apprentice Chris. I made an aluminum and stainless steel tubular rack for this, which is 6' wide and over 12' long.

Business work car

2011: Copper Prices
We saw another hike in the cost of copper in early 2011 to 125% more, where it had held relatively steady since 2006; when it had suddenly doubled in cost. Fortunately it has dropped back down to around $5.50# later this year. Of course I don't know what the future holds, but I will need to write quotes that allow for these unexpected fluctuations. Try to keep in mind that this should mean only a smaller change in your final cost, since the material cost is only a small percentage of this sort of custom fabrication work. Which is why it is foolish to use an inferior metal when most of what you are paying for is labor and freight costs with most projects.

2010: New Logo:

We have a new logo shown here engraved
on an 11" wide sheet of 32oz copper (2008)
and made into an etched glass plate
w/24k gold leaf inlay (2010)

2009: Moved Across Town & New Apprentice
We are moved back to the West side of Portland in Oregon with a 5 year lease, that has been extended another 5 years. This is so Tia could be closer in to the Hospitals and Birthing Centers for her 2 year apprenticeship with The AndaluzWaterbirth Center. Our mailing address will be listed in our e-mail correspondence. We had to built a 20' X 32' work shop from scratch, and use a small garage as my woodshop.

I've finally found a dedicated apprentice named Chris Freedman, who I've known since he was small, and he seems to have a passion for quality and ethics such as I do. He's the Step-Son of a High School chum of mine I had met in art class, and we had remained friends through out the decades. I hope for great things to come from this young man. Heck, he's willing to put up with my intolerance for incompetence. He's not the smartest guy around, but his hearts in the right place, which money can't buy. I'm still having to do all the design and the more complex work myself, but he shows good promise. Since that time he has remained with CBD, and has been able to tackle whole complex chimney cap projects with minimal supervision.

Apprentice Chris Freedman

2008: Publication:
This is a copy of the interview for Angie's List we did for their July 2008 magazine. I seem to be the only one to report I have been doing better than ever these days; attributing it to good communication through this web site and swift responses to e-mail:

Better Cars:
This may be a bit off topic, but I have a question for you to consider: why has pneumatic and electric motors for cars been suppressed for over a century now? Pneumatic is just pressurized air driven motors, which is not a new tech at all. They now make 5k PSI tanks with carbon fiber for Firefighters and scuba divers , which are safer and lighter weight, which can provide over 200 mile range per fill. They would hasve virtually no pollution to speak of, and no risk of a violent fiery explosion if in a serious collision. It would be far less hazardous land fill issues than old dead batteries, as well as a fraction of the weight for the energy source and motor. No expensive processing of the fuel, which can be set up at any fueling station for a fraction of the cost to recharge a tank in just a few minutes compared to hydrogen. Please write to your Congressman and tell them about this new/old tech to save our planet and society. Also, spread the word to as many people as you can to put pressure on The Man and force this out in the open.

Resources:
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/06/the_worlds_first_airpowered_ca.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car
http://www.aircaraccess.com/catcomps.htm
http://www.carazoo.com/article/1210200902/Top-Five-Air-Powered-Vehicles

 How Do We Arrange for a Quote?

Response time:
I will answer my cell phone personally (if possible) and I'm happy answer your questions. I love to help brainstorm tricky situations. Although, I am not likely to be able to provide you with a price on the spot.  Once I've a chance to sit at my computer and calculator to wrap my mind around your needs I'll need to put it in writing for both our sake. This process may take several hours to make a diagram and calculations, as long as I have the right measurements with photos and diagrams that you provide through e-mail.  This way we both will have written documentation of what was agreed.  I deal with a lot of clients, so I cannot be expected to rely on my memory about each detail, so I do not quote projects over the phone for these reasons, but that why I show the prices my clients had paid at that time to help give you an idea of what these projects would run. This way you are able to do some anonymous comparison shopping while pursuing this web site, which seems to be quite rare from what I've heard.

I strive to check and respond to e-mail at least a couple times each day; morning and night. I am prompt to respond to those e-mail within 24 hours even on weekends, unless we happen to be out of town, but that is pretty rare. So this process should go swiftly.

On-line estimate:

If you e-mail me about your needs I try my best not to pressure you in any way. It is very helpful to list these details in your e-mail, so I have enough to work with:
(1) close measurements of your project if not exact, or my quote would be invalid.
(2) the type of roofing material you have and the pitch of your roof.
(3) diagrams or digital photos from my web site or other sources to show me what you have in mind.
(4) any digital photos that you can send of your house are very helpful.  You never know what I might notice that could be a serious issue or suggest alternatives that would work better.  I have broadband, so file size is not much of an issue, but it seems that it is best if there under 2 megs per e-mail. My PC screen resolution is 800 x 1280 pixels
(5) any cost limitation or time lines that have to be met, so I can let you know if this is workable.

The more info you send the more chance I can give you an accurate quote.  I will try to be as flexible as possible, but you will want a ceiling cost, so your project does not get out of hand, like it tends to do working with other building contractors. My final cost may be a little lower than my quote, since on substantial projects I will re-price the final cost to reflect only the material actually in the custom fabrication based on the final weight.  This way you only pay for what you get at the quoted cost per square foot of copper actually in these projects. This is an ethical detail you'll not likely find elsewhere, and one you can recheck once it has arrived.

On-site estimate:
My contractors license and liability insurance is for gutter replacement and other sheet metal work in Oregon only. I could do some other work like some high end fence and deck building, but I am not able to do any roofing related work under my current licensing, so I can not install the custom copper roof caps and chimney caps I specialize in making. But I can assist with getting measurements if you happen to be local to us.

If you happen to live in or near the Portland Oregon Metro Area and are interested in my high-end gutter replacement, I am required by the CCB to supply potential clients with free bids within a reasonable geographical area from my location. I can usually go out to your place to write up a free estimate within a business day or two, as long as you are local to us (within 20 miles or so). If my wait time to do the actual installation (http://dmr-gutters.com/news.htm) is not a problem, feel free to e-mail me with your address, contact info, and any details you think is relevant to your needs, so I can service you with a bid. If you feel you need to talk to me about your special needs, you can call David's mobile phone at 503 351-7082.

 What are My Costs and What Sort of Deposit is Required?

My Rates:
From what I have heard I have the most competitive rates you will find. I have just a small overhead working out of our rental home/shop.  Not including the crate and shipping charge simple flashing runs as little as $12 per square foot for thicker than standard 20oz copper flashing, or as little as $3 sq' for painted aluminum, where there is little to no wasted material and basic bending done.

Although, custom design/fabrication work starts at $20# to $30# depending on the complexity of your project. This covers most custom design work, unique math, geometry, tricky fabrication, and seams that require sealing water tight, which is not an issue for most roof flashing. This $20# base rate translates to these costs per square foot:


$25 sq' - 20oz copper $40 sq' - 32oz copper
$30 sq' - 24oz copper $60 sq' - 48oz copper

Projects with curves, ornate detail, and other complexities add to this base rate.

The cost of copper materials:
Like with how fuel prices gradually rose 300% from $1.50 per gallon through the Bush years it seems that sheet metal prices suddenly rose in early 2006 up to double what it had been throughout the prior 15 years that I knew of. With copper scrap spiking from just $0.85# up to $3#. You can read more on this subject at: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/markets/commodities.html

This was largely due to China and India's manufacturing growth compared to their native supply which could not match, so they were importing a great deal of our scrap metal.

I still feel that copper is the best value for your money, especially since all metal prices have been effected in this way, so they're all relative to each other still. More importantly is how the cost of any custom work like this is labor and freight. An 80% drop in metal cost for using cheap steel would only affect your end cost about 20% lower.

If I quote you a cost for a project and you submit the required payment or deposit within 30 days of that quote, the cost will not change even if my cost of material goes up again before I get around to building your project.

Discounts:
I can offer some volume discounts for large projects. I don't recommend using a thinner 16oz copper sheet metal (which is typically used for roof flashing and gutters) just to save $. It dents too easily and will not hold up as long still looking good decades later, so it makes little sense to use a long life metal like copper if it is so thin and flimsy.

Thicker copper than my standard 20oz thickness is used in some project where needed, but it is harder to cut, drill, and bend, so thicker metal cost proportionally more to use in projects. That is one reason I find it more cost efficient to add more bracing inside the chimney cap roof sub structures, instead of just using a thicker copper sheet metal outer shell.

Deposits:
As to the payment to secure your spot in my schedule:
Full payment is required on projects under $500
For larger projects over $500 I accept 1/2 down, with the final adjusted* payment before it ships.

For large projects of $2k or more I accept 1/3 down. The second third when I start to show you I have begun work on your project through digital photos. Then final adjusted* payment before it ships.

* For projects over $500 I work with you to set a ceiling cost on your project before I begin, and when I am finished I can weigh it to get the actual amount of copper used, so that your final cost does not include cut-off waste (which any other shop would charge you for). I then can adjust the final payment to reflect only what you will receive, so you are not paying for an inflated quote. A detail you are able to double check after it arrives to see how honest I was.

We all know it is a scary ugly world out there full of liars and cheats.  Although, I believe my Business Integrity Award from the Better Business Bureau should give even the worst critics the confidence of my ethical responsibility and devotion to my clients.  I have had less than 5% of my potential clients express discomfort with my payment policy.  This has not been much of an issue, but if you do not trust me, you should simply not do business with me at all.

Note: The prices listed on this web site for custom copper work were the actual costs of those items at that time with freight charges included, but may not reflect accurately how much new projects will run now after all meals doubled in cost in early 2006.

 Do You Accept Credit Card Payments?

I recently got a card reader to plug into my IPhone, and do have PayPal set-up on my contact Info web page if you need, but it is not really any faster to reach me than US snail-mail and cost me 3% surcharge I have to add to your cost, so your welcome to just send me a personal check. I have yet to have any clients write me a bad check, so it has not been a problem.

 Toll-free Phone # ?

I tend to do most of my correspondence through e-mail, so we will both have a written record of the agreements. I had a toll-free phone number for several years, but it seems pointless these days since long distance charges seem to be a thing of the past.

Non-local Client Orders
Most of my clients are near the opposite coast from us, so I have to rely on you to get me the info I need to create the project you need, so it fits just right.  I cannot guaranty it will fit if I do not have all the info and correct measurements, but I can assure you it will fit the measurements I am given.  You will then need to do the installation yourself or hire a local contractor to do the installation. I try my best to make items easy to install with all the rust free fasteners needed and provide personalized installation instruction.

If you are searching for a reliable contractor; my web sites seem to be the most comprehensive and honest web sites on gutters and roofing standards in the world.  You should find the information here very helpful to better know what questions to ask of your local contractors to better to weed out the less reputable.  Take notes from that information, so that you have the questions to ask them during the bid.  And in so doing you should save a lot of money and future head aches down the road (three or four sets of parts with the cost of installation will cost more than one good quality fabrication).  Also check out Angie's list for good referrals:

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Other Helpful Roofing Information
For some valuable advice with regards to roofing and rain management issues check out my:

(a) Gutter Installation
(b) Gutter Debris Protection Options
(c) Roofing Quality Standards
(d) Chimney Flashing
(e) Moss Control & Treatment

web pages for answers and solutions that could save you thousands of $ and a great deal of anguish.

If you do find this information very helpful, feel free to send us a $ tip for the assistance we so freely have published on the web here for your benefit, like you might tip a waitress.  Heck, send us a gift certificate for a candle lit dinner for two. <LOL>

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Below is a photo of my
Better Business Bureau's
NW Business Integrity Award
for the year 1998

1999 Better Business Award

I was also a 1997 finalist for this same award. See my referral web page to see how I managed to be honored with this special award

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